I just read that your Ken Starr is THE Ken Starr... WOW! If you think this guy has ANY sway in California with or with ANY PAC-Ten university your smoking way too much stuff. California and the rest of the Pac-Ten were thrilled just to get him out of Malibu.... You can forget about welcoming him back as Chancellor of a semi prestigious Baptist school in a nothing Texas town

I'm a horned frog. And I actually like Baylor. But I will raise heck (see--watching my language) if the MWC is asked to admit Baylor. It's not your football team, or your fans--it's Baylor academics. You cannot compete for top scholars and I know for a fact that you have chased off quite a few that were there previously. You spend your time wondering how much creationism to teach and imposing faculty litmus tests. You cinched it by hiring the poster child for wingnut politics as your President.

The best thing that ever happened to TCU was being left out of the big 12. They started from scratch and turned out building a fantastic program. The sun belt would be perfect for ya'll. Win 5 games - experience a bowl game.Get things going in the right direction. You argue that Baylor is a conservative religious school that hates socialism and left wing liberal agendas, yet your the first in line for your "bailout" Your hypocrisy disgusts me. No more bailouts. Your program is grotesque - your city is the waistland of texas...on par with el paso. I cant believe your staff had to beg TCU for them to schedule you, they do, and they destroy you. Your gonna get everything you have coming to you baylor. TCU houston Rice Smu will turn their backs on you as you have done for them. Dont you read the bible "eye for an eye" Have a great 2012 season in the sunbelt. I wonder what channel will air baylor v.s UTSA? Have fun watching the rest of our Texas schools on their respective networks !

Baylor didn't care when SMU, TCU and Houston got shafted when the Big 12 was formed. What comes around goes around. It's Baylors time now. This deal, as the one that formed the Big 12, is bigger than the state of Texas. The UT, Tech, and A@M don't care about Baylor. The Bears can go play with the ones they hosed when the Big 12 was formed.

Baylor does fine in the BIG XII in all the other sports, and is getting better in football. It is just a matter of time before they break through to a winning season. This year they have the talent to beat Buffalo, Sam Houston, Rice, Kansas, K-State, Colorado, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and yes TCU and A&M. I see at least 7 wins this season. Briles is a great recruiter and the talent level and depth is head and shoulders above the past several years. Plus last year our starting star QB and our starting RB were injured. This year everyone is healthy and now have an O line that doesn't have one player under 300lbs. They are going to have an explosive offense and hopefully the defense will be able to keep them in games (#5 national recuiting class for defensive backs is pretty good right?). You don't have to take my word for it, just tune in to ESPN for college highlights, I am sure you will catch a few clips of RGIII and will hear of a couple "suprise" upsets in the Big XII. If you are from CU I understand why you would be upset, but if you are a resident of Texas it just doesn't make any CENTS to not pull for a local team.

Baylor deserves and will get nothign from the Texas Legislature. The Texas Legislature must first and foremost protect intrests of STATE SCHOOL, not private religious ones.

Baylor sure wasn't about "sticking together" when they left UH, SMU, TCU and Rice twisting in the wind. Pathetic.

This is funny. Where was the sentimental value when the SWC broke apart? No where. If any of you can take off your green and gold glasses for a minute and look at your situation honestly and squarely, BU had no business being in the Big 12. If you think so, then you probably also believe BU has a shot of getting into the SEC if UT, ATM and TTU bolt. Delusional. Face it, BU only got into the Big 12 b/c of Annie Richards. Look, you had a good run for only bringing political clout to the table back in the day, but the ride has to end and BU cannot keep up with the big schools. BU belongs in Conference USA or the WAC. Hook'em - we're outa here!!!!

Baylor had their chance and has been a major failure. Goof luck in the Southland Conference.

"One for all and all for one?" Tell that to the fans of UH, Rice, TCU, and SMU. Baylor being dumped would be poetic justice. See you in CUSA. We, at UH would look forward to playing Art Briles' team -at least while we are stuck in CUSA.

My point exactly- why not get a conf where you have a chance to win , because it has been proven year after year that Baylor does not pull in the fan base enough to attract a large high profile Conf. It is sad becuse the games are fun- good stadium,great band, great parking easy access- but if they don't win Waco does not support nor does the Alum as I mentioned. This is a great opp for Baylor the way I see it for competing, it's just they stand to lose A LOT of money if they downsize to a smaller , less attractive conf because those teams dont have much loyal fan base eaither.

I think it would be great if Baylor was in a conference where they could actually win games instead of being routed every Saturday. Rice, SMU, TCU, UH, NT, UTEP, Tulsa, U of New M, New MS, and Colo State

Think big. As noted earlier, this is about money. Every dollar (or nearly so) of athletic money that comes to Baylor is spent in Texas, most in Central Texas. Money brought in to Baylor athletics pays the salaries of various individual, both Baylor employees and not, who work in and around the university. Truthfully, it doesn't matter to the PAC 10 whether Baylor or Colorado comes with Texas to a new super-conference. But it would matter a whole lot to Texas folks if Baylor went with Texas. This isn't like the break-up of the SWC. This isn't a matter of Texas schools fighting it out against each other. It's a Texas competing against Colorado. $20 million in revenue spent in Texas or $20 million in revenue spent in Colorado? I'll take the first option.

Baylor has done this to themselves, they can not compete in the Big 12 and the Alumni nor Waco and surronding areas support them. My daughter just got accepted to Texas A&M so Baylor has lost my support of buying season tickets this year. When I say compete I mean the only sport that draws revenue (football). Get back in a conf where you can win because you will never draw a crowd. Baylor should trade stadiums with Waco ISD - it will make the crowd look a little better. Sorry Baylor , I support the hometown team , but since Coach Teaff and the SWC left,,, so did the football program. Basketball, tennis, baseball and softball don't pay the bills. Good luck green and gold I wish you well but I am headed up HWY 6 to watch a team in College Station that gets fan support and good recruits.Gig Em.

Amen Jethmal...I think they have the 3rd most Big 12 titles behind TX and A&M.

Aside from Texas and A&M, doesn't Baylor have the most Big 12 sports titles in the history of the league? Sounds like a pretty good overall program. Why not give them a shot in the Pac-16?

Try posting from your phone...

Ffmedic 87 how can you blast a university for its academic standards in any regard? Your use of incomplete sentences and poor grammar are prevalent throughout your tirade. I do not want to even come close to talking about your punctuation issues.

OMG.. The only reason that Baylor ended up in the Big 12 in the first place was because the State government thanks to pill popper Ann stuck her nose where in didn't belong.. It amazes me that it has taken this long for something like this to happen... It also surprises me that the PAC-10 is looking a 3 schools from Texas.. They really should only be looking at 2.. Sorry tech need to work on those accreditation problems in order to call yourself a real University... This is all about how many TV's are tuned to your games and for the most part the draw from Texas happens to be Maroon and White along with Burnt Orange and White... This is going to be a very interesting time on the State for the Big 12... Not to mention for the whole of the NCAA Division 1 landscape...

I love all the hypocrisy coming from the Baylor big boys about "sticking together" and tradition among Texas schools. You certainly didn't feel that way when you left TCU. But as the record shows, TCU has done quite well athletically since. You guys have been a Big 12 parasite.

While no one can deny how atrocious our football program has been since the inception of the big 12, it take more than a football program to base a view of a school. As has been repeated we have comeptitve programs in other sports and will be competitve in football again just wait until this football season starts. And as for some of you UT people posting on here i would bet a signficant portion of you are the typical UT fan all Wal-Mart shirts but no degree. And As for TCwho, they just recently began to compete at a high level in football, There baseball program is solid but what about the rest of the department? A joke! So Waconians stay at MCC and keep buying your UT and A$M Wal-mart shirts in a pathetic attempt to think you are actually tied to that school because you bought that shirt.

Your ignorance is astounding Willie. Texas A&M along with Texas are the two schools that the SEC, PAC-10, and BIG-10 are all trying to get. In fact, the SEC thinks that A&M is a more cultural fit for them, than even Texas. Don't worry about A&M, they can get by on their own, but will they? Of course not, because they aren't stupid. Those other conferences however could give a rat's a** about Baylor or Texas Tech. They have nonchalantly made that known already if you have not noticed. Neither are up to par academically nor athletically.

Baylor is not wanted because it is a small school that can't compete. A&M isn't realy wanted, but is a coattail rider to UT. Why don't A&M, Baylor and a few other non-football schools go to a smaller conference?

In light of the national success of the Baylor basketball programs, it's amazing that someone could say that Baylor "brings nothing to the table." Maybe folks like Cameron simply unplug the TV after football season is over...

As others have pointed out, why exactly should Baylor, a private school, be given preference by the State of Texas? If they want to make that argument, fine. Send the University of Houston, a larger State school with the other 5. Baylor has no leg to stand on in this argument, and they bring nothing to the table.

Baylor never belonged in the Big 12 and they certainly do not belong in the Pac 16. Please do not anchor the flagships...

This is about $$$$. How sad that the student athletes don't get any of that TV money but they are the one's risking their future playing ability by facing injuries for what is basically a volunteer job. Sure they an education and their skills are developed, but compared to what the schools are making that is just not enough. As long as we're going to lose our Big 12 status because of money, why don't we at least discuss why the schools get the money, not the athletes who do the job? Also, what's up with the Trib permitting comments on this and not other things? (Trib Editor Carlos Sanchez has reopened commenting on this story because of the high level of interest. Comments will be monitored, so please keep it civil. -- wacotrib.com staff)

I graduated from Baylor in 2004 and did not enjoy watching UT, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, beat Baylor every year I was there. I never understood why this school joined the big 12 instead of going a different conference. I always thought of Baylor as an academic institution no some athletic powerhouse. Ivy league schools are not very competitive in sports buy are among the best academic schools in the world. Academics and not sports is what Baylor should be best at.

The idea that Baylor brought this upon themselves with their lack of success/lack of butts in seats in football is really ridiculous. Ultimately, this is about money. Football brings in the money. Denver has a 2.5 million media market; Waco has 250K as has already been noted. No amount of success could overcome that if we're talking about money... It's unfortunate that this is all about football considering the amount of success Baylor has enjoyed in all non-football sports. Someone earlier mentioned that the PAC-10 is a baseball powerhouse. True. But it shows that the PAC-10 doesn't care much about baseball - CU doesn't even have a team. I take that back, CU has a club baseball team, described as "very competitive" and "often in the top two" in their club conference.

Baylor can keep their SWC rivalries. But, they will have to do it with TCU, SMU, UH, and Rice. In the long run it will be better for them as they have comparable size stadiums (Rice Stadium excepted) and put the same number of fans in the seats as the others. Baylor brought this on themselves with their lack of support, in the form of butts in the seats, from their students, alumni, fans, and community. Grab Tulsa and become the Big 12 south and play against KU, KSU, ISU, and three more from the Big 12 north.

It is intresting that Baylor is quick to tell the the state of Texas that they are a private school and certain things due not apply to them, such as head coaches salaries. But now that they are going to get kicked to the curb, they are crying down in Austin for legislative help.

Let's see. Medium size conservative private university in a media market of 250,000 vs major public university with 2.5 million Denver media market. Hundreds of direct flights daily to Denver from west coast. Flights to Waco??? Tough decision for Pac-10.

I should have read some of these comments before I posted. Where do all of these nay-sayers come from when something great like this happens? It's amazing how many sad, disgruntled individuals there are in the world. Baylor is one of the best universities in this country - and it can more than hold its own against Stanford - the other private institution. Why should Baylor focus on another conference when there's a possibility of its being in the PAC-18? Commenters, if you aren't associated with Baylor or other members of the Big XII or the Pac-10, why don't you take your comments somewhere else? This is a positive site! GUNS UP! GO BEARS!

This Texas Tech alum ('65 and '67) wants Baylor in the mix - AND Colorado, so let's also add Utah (which the Pac-10 is considering) and we'll have the PAC-18 - and we'll rule the western half of the United States. Fantastic: The Inland Division: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado. The Pacific Division: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, and Utah. A dream conference!! Baylor alums, Baylor politicians, don't drop the ball here. Make this happen. The Big XII is dead! Why? Once you start talking about a divorce (Missouri and Nebraska started it), you might as well get a divorce, because you'll never trust each other again!

Hey "Buddy" this is the reality check being handed to Baylor on a silver platter. Just think, Baylor could actually start winning some football games. Don't cry, REJOICE for goodness sake! You can't tell me that you are happy with the sad state of Baylor football(that's even if you attend any games). And what makes you think that any of the Texas schools "owes" Baylor anything. You also need to remeber that Baylor is not considered a rivalry to anyone. They are just who everyone schedules for homecoming.

May the ghost of our great statesman Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock be with us during these times. Neal T. "Buddy" Jones is carrying the torch that was carried by Bullock. Sic 'em Buddy!!

If the Big 12 is dissolved, that would allow the Mountain West to move up into that BCS slot, cheer up! joing the MWC (if they want you) would be a parallel move for the Kansas schools,Iowa St. & Baylor, not a step down.

The bloggers have summed it up perfectly. Back to where you belong Bears, and thank goodness. Maybe they can win some football games now. It was just a matter of time. All ya'll that were so sure BU belonged in the Big 12, well the PAC 10 boys beg to differ. Now you're down on your knees begging to get stomped every Saturday if BU can just get some MONEY!!!! Go figure? Look at the bright side, that new practice facility virtually guarantees BU will entice recruits that can wipe out those pesky Rice Owls. Nobody complained when BU beat them in the SWC.

What would Baylor do without a major sports conference?! All education would cease! Faculty would flee! Students' IQs would drop! Armageddon! Armageddon! Armageddon! Run now while you still can! The Brazos will run red with blood! Be afraid! Avert your eyes for the beloved Baylor campus is going to be laid waste! Disaster! Disaster! As a believer in higher education (and a Baylor sports fan), I find all of this quite embarrassing.

No Ann Richards, No Bob Bullock, No Pac 10, or Pac 16. Sorry. What is that i hear? Scott Drew and Kim hauling ass out of town..

You're running out of runway... if inclusion in a BCS conference is what you really want, and it would be great to see it happen, you need support from more that the alums in the Legislature. Mend those ties with BAA. It's time to hit the alumni base and major contributors to show committment and elevate the football program. And if successful... when you're on TV, FILL Floyd Casey on Saturdays even if you have to give those tickets away.

It seems that Baylor was silent regarding fellow SWC schools when they bolted from the Southwest Conference and joined the Big 12. I don't recall them showing much if any concern for TCU, Houston, SMU and Rice when that happened. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly we hear Baylor saying that the old Texas rivalries should not be abandoned. Why didn't we hear that back when the SWC was abandoned? What bigger rivalry was there than Baylor / TCU?

Why should Baylor think they are any different from TCU and SMU that were left out of the the Big 12? Get in a conference where you can win and you and the students will feel good about themselves!

Yes yes....we are the blood bait in the conference.We bring nothing to the table but the opportunity for other teams to kick our butts on Sat. afternoon!!We slink in and out of stadiums with a victory every so often but still no bowl game because we can't compete on a weekly basis.We can't even field a decent ticket office at the stadium!

Baylor, you have not shown the ability to field a competitive team in the Big 12. Sure, Briles is doing a good job...but he's not gonna be there for long and you know it. Mountain West Conference will be a good home for you. You dont deserve to sit at the big table and eat, the money is ties to football, and you dont bring enough to the table.

Texas legislators should not play any role in supporting Baylor, a private institution. I'm a UT alum living in Pac 10 country and the general sentiment is that Baylor is not wanted. A lot of CU alums have migrated to the West Coast and CU is a better fit for the Pac 10, academically, culturally, and historically in terms of their athletic programs. I realize that Baylor would like a piece of the lucrative pie, but in reality, they would only be hurting themselves. Baylor has proven that they cannot compete in the Big 12 in football. The basketball team has recently been very successful, but would likely struggle in the Pac 16. The Pac 10 is known for being a powerhouse baseball conference, which is one of Baylor's AD's strengths. Baylor should focus on the MWC, a conference that may allow them to appear in their bowl game in 15 years.

Baylor isn't the biggest employer in Waco, though it's close. BU has about as many employees as Providence and Waco ISD. Among the top 10 employers in Waco, the school employs about 15% of that number (about 2,500, according the Greater Waco Chamber circa fall 2009: http://www.wacochamber.com/businessindustry.php).

Because Baylor, in addition to being the largest source of employment in town, is also a major source of money for the city's businesses. In addition to visiting fans coming to spend money, a lot of out-of-town Baylor fans come in for games, too. Staying in a major conference would benefit Waco in addition to Baylor.

As one of the many who have lived in the shadow of Burleson's towers for many years, I fail to see why WE have an interest one way or another what happens with BU's status in the world of sports.